Let's take a look at the interest for April!
Let's take a look at the interest I need to pay the bank for borrowing that US$30k.
All that is left to do is to transfer and convert the GUSD back to fiat money (USD) to show the complete loop/cycle. As mentioned previously, GUSD is backed by Gemini and as far as I am aware, both BlockFi and Gemini recognizes it 1-1 as USD. However, wiring USD out of BlockFi will incur a US$30 admin fee and requires a minimum withdrawal of US$5,000, hence it is not recommended.
Withdrawal from Celsius |
Withdrawal from BlockFi |
You can see both the GUSD being deposited into my Gemini account as USD without any fees.
In summary, for crypto (BTC, ETH, etc.) savings account, use BlockFi:
Gemini --transfer (no fees for 1st 10 withdrawal per calendar month)--> BlockFi
Other places/exchange --transfer (some fees)--> BlockFi
For high interest USD "savings" account, use Celsius Network:
Bank --wire USD (no fee)--> Gemini/BlockFi (receive GUSD) --transfer GUSD (no fee)--> Celsius Network for 10% interest --transfer GUSD (no fee)--> Gemini (USD) --wire (no fee/SG$10)--> Bank
On a side note, I am aware of a local startup Hodlnaut increasing its interest for stablecoins which is a great move but the beauty of the above set up is that I can avoid all/most of the fees. In addition, there is no way to guarantee my capital like 1 USD will be equivalent to 1 USDC/USDT because I would have to convert/exchange them somewhere else.
I find it quite funny when people are still so sceptical or simply treat all crypto as scam/ponzi. I do not take umbrage (lol. can't help it) but such mentality is equivalent to SPH media business model - outdated. Even CZM is finding all these interesting now and even wants to put some money into DeFi!
Anyway, I have blogged about different ways to leverage crypto to build wealth for people with different risk appetites:
The safer approach using stablecoins
- Earning High Interest Using BlockFi and Celsius Network Finale
Risky approach but more hassle-free
Highest risk and you are on your own
- DeFi apps on Binance Smart Chain (BSC) such as PancakeSwap and PancakeBunny
If you are interested in the platform I am using, do sign up using our referral links for some bonus :)
BlockFi: Deposits US$100 or more into your BlockFi Interest Account (BIA), you will earn US$10 in BTC and we will earn US$10 in BTC too.
BlockFi: Deposits US$100 or more into your BlockFi Interest Account (BIA), you will earn US$10 in BTC and we will earn US$10 in BTC too.
Celsius Network: Earn US$40 in BTC with your first transfer of US$400 or more and we will earn US$40 in BTC too.
Gemini: We will both receive US$10 of bitcoin after you buy or sell US$100.
CakeDeFi - Deposits US$50 or more into your CakeDeFi account, you will earn US$30 in DFI and we will earn US$10 in DFI too.
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Hi, can i ask.
ReplyDeleteIf doing USD withdrawal from Gemini wallet to local bank account. it has to be multi-currency account? Might u know what will happen if withdrawal into a normal SGD savings account?
Hi Andy,
DeleteI have no idea and never thought of doing that. It is best to check with the CSO from the bank but my guess is the SG bank will convert to SGD + some admin fee for converting + admin fee for inward TT.
thanks for your reply. Guess i'll just go apply for the multi-currency account.
Deletebro, when adding our SC account into gemini, for the "SWIFT/BIC or Wire Routing Number", is it SCBLSG22?
ReplyDeleteHi DS,
DeleteThat is correct. I was referring to these websites - https://www.sc.com/sg/important-information/important-notice-new-bank-identifier-code/ and https://wise.com/gb/swift-codes/SCBLSG22XXX
Hello, I read about the custody fee chargeable to Gemini customers in the website. Does this fee apply to all retail customers’ accounts with Gemini?
ReplyDeleteHi R L,
DeleteNot sure where you read about that but it does not apply to retail customers. It is only for institutional clients - https://www.gemini.com/custody
KPO,
ReplyDeletealways so interesting to learn new things from your blog. again, late to the crypto world. when the whole world is on board already.
i am actually testing out Hodlnaut. its quite interesting. cept the withdrawal fees. but i dont intend to withdraw so often. i always support local la. (https://app.hodlnaut.com/signup?r=7mr6Eld5F) => not sure allowed. pls remove it so =)
have been paying withdrawal fees (read: CRO) and boy that hurts. it was 0.00004btc
i think celsius is what i need to close the loop for withdrawal back into my USD account. will be signin up with your referal!
btw, in your opinion, which is the "safest" of all stablecoins? USDC, USDT, GUSD, DAI?
Hi foolish chameleon,
DeleteIn my opinion, it's never too late, just like investing. What matters is taking the first step to try and understand it. No worries, for you only. Others I will delete. Haha.
I evaluated Hodlnaut previously but like you said, they charge withdrawal fees. Eventually, I decided to use BlockFi and Celsius because they offer free withdrawal.
USDC would probably be the safest (given that Visa is using it, I would think they would have done their research and answer this question of yours too). Generally, GUSD, BUSD and DAI are fine too. As for USDT, I try not to hold it as it is quite controversial. Just google it and you will see why.
It is the S$10 inward telegraphic transfer (TT) fee when withdrawing from Gemini (USD) to SG Bank unless you're a customer of SCB Priority (min. S$200K) or DBS Treasures (min. S$350K). This S$10 have to less off the higher interest. Wonder if there is any way to reduce or eliminate the inward TT fee without being customer of SCB Priority/DBS Treasures?
ReplyDeleteHi Jason,
DeleteIn my opinion, you shouldn't let this $10 TT fee be a showstopper. The interest one is getting out is much higher unless your capital is very small then probably not worth the effort/trouble. Do your own calculation. There isn't or at least not that I know of.
Can the interest be transferred from BlockFi to CoinHako wallet?
ReplyDeleteHi Ironhorse,
DeleteYes, I believe so (not tested cause I am not using CoinHako) as long as CoinHako supports that particular token/coin you are transferring to.